why is the ethanol industry SO opposed to labelling it's product? It appears that the RFA is not very proud of its member's product and does not want consumers to know what they are really buying at the pump.

So where does RFA say they are opposed to labeling? Maybe it is a factor of your local distributor not wanting to identify it. I would guess that RFA would want it trumpeted. In our area it is labeled and people buy it more readily because it is more economical. Maybe your local distributor is racking in the profits and doesn't want to label or state allows for the lack of labeling.

Thomas Elam, I'm not opposed to labeling the ethanol product. In fact I'm all for it as I try to use ethanol. I'd love to see % MADE IN AMERICA ETHANOL signs at the gas pump right along with % IMPORTED FROM Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Russia etc. signs for the gasoline we buy. Real AMERICANS will buy AMERICAN FUEL. You see a lot of us are tired of being unemployed and out of work, tired of being lied to by our Politicians and “news media”, and tired of sending all our money overseas for the things we use to make so we can be unemployed. Vacation is great, but after a month or two with no work it kind of gets old.

Well Thomas Blazek, You seem to be suggesting that people from other countries should not buy American goods? That would be a direct extension of your statement. Probably a better method to combat the employment problem is with education.

Education is great, but I don’t think it’s the whole answer. We’re not all meant to be college graduates. We need an economy that is self sufficient with room for everyone. We have flooded the world with American Dollars and those dollars are not all coming back as demand for American goods and services. If they were we wouldn’t have our current unemployment problem. We have run trade deficits for years and the value of our currency is seriously falling. I don’t see how we can be a strong country or a stable society as we stop producing most of our basic needs. We are becoming increasingly dependent on others and not ourselves. When I go to the store it’s hard to find items Made in the USA. Start looking and see if you don’t agree that it’s scary. I see Ethanol as one opportunity to take back some of our own destiny and reduce the cash flow or (wealth flow) out of our country. It’s about time for the rest of the world start buying some American goods; we have been out spending them for years! With massive unemployment in this country, I don’t think Americans owe the rest of the world an apology for buying American. Sooner or later life needs to be a two way street to stay balanced, or the wheels come off the wagon.

The rest of the world does not believe in running massive trade deficits as mater of their national policy. In fact after WWII we made the Japanese add a clause to their constitution banning trade deficits. Is the rest of the world wrong? My gut says no they are not.

The rest of the world does not believe in running massive trade deficits as mater of their national policy. In fact after WWII we made the Japanese add a clause to their constitution banning trade deficits. Is the rest of the world wrong? My gut says no they are not.

Gentlemen. What made this country great was free enterprise, capitalism, and less goverment sticking thier nose in everybodys business. If ethanol can't make it on its's on, too bad. Every business needs to have its own legs. The Feds have taken such a role in what every business is trying to do we can't compete. Not only the Federal Gov. but the Peta, the green movement, the animal rights, on and on. You have to furnish health Insurance for employees, safety issues cost money, handicap access, legal punishment for firing some idiot that is costing you money, forced to hire people you don't want, law suits that don't amount to anything more than someone trying to get money. lawyers out of control. We need energy ? Then get the Gov. and animal rights people out of the way. This country had better wake up. You have to go to work. And don't tell me about the joblessnes, there is plenty of work available if you want it. But no. Gov. says lets extend the jobless benefits. Gov. says if you work hard and make money we want most of it to give to the parasites that want work. If you do not want to work we will take care of you and reward you for not doing good. Hell of a message to send. What a neat country we have become. Do good and we will punish you with taxes, fines because you have real good insurance, or oh you have a business, well let's see how much we can interfer with it. Get the picture people. Our goods we produce cost too much. Its the same reason we are still fighting Islamist terrorist in Afganistan, Irag. We have rules of engagement created by the Gov. Our enemy has no rules except to kill every American they can, any way they can, anywhere they can, regardless of the civilians along with it. We could have been thru with this war yrs. ago if the politicians stayed out of it, i.e WWW 11 Point is our political make up of weak kneed politicians imposing rules they don't even understand upon our trade and commerce is killing the American dream for all of us. ( Need to realize that for the most part none of our political brain trust has ever had a real job or run a business.) They are making it so we can't compete and maybe making it so we don't want to.

Well put, Jerry

Jerry- the problem with what you say is that the govt is in the way of more ethanol. E15 is a voluntary level- not mandatory- and govt IS standing in the way of it !

With the increases coming in the RFS there is ABSOLUTELY nothing voluntary about going beyond E10. There are millions of E85 vehicles on the road today. If ethanol is such a huge bargain, why are there not more E85 pumps, and more demand for E85 vehicles? If E85 was a good deal for motorists we would even need to be having this discussion at this time. The underlying problem here is that ethanol is a market failure and therefore has to be forced on motorists by mandates and subsidies. E15 is all about making it possible to continue to make us buy ethanol, and do so at prices than are higher than the energy value of the fuel would dictate.

Well, we all ought to get ready because “our government?” through the EPA's announcement today that they want to regulate carbon dioxide emissions is getting ready to control a whole lot more of our lives. Eventually maybe everything, because everything we do emits CO2, even breathing. Can’t wait tell they regulate that. Maybe we can all look forward to being slaves of the government and world organizations regulating our environment? We have a president and congress that seem to want this. I really question if we have a government for the people, by the people and of the people anymore, with liberty and justice for all. Something I learned back in grade school, I wonder if they teach that anymore.

... what it appears we are supposed to believe these days is something more like: government of consensus, by collaboration, for the cabal ...

Phil, I am not talking about Ethanol. I will say, no one seems to figure in the subsidy dollars ( our tax dollars) when they talk about how cheap it is. If it is so good it should be taking off on its own. That being said, you actually made my point about the Fed. Gov. being in the way. What I am saying was not about ethanol,but about how many products are not made in the USA. Its all the phony regulations being put on us. It makes it harder and harder to compete. Look at what is going on right now. The health care bill and the climate change. If they can't pass it then they hand it off to the EPA. We are being force fed a lot BS folks. We need to stop this bickering among us and take notice of the Gorillo in the room. I don't support Ethanol, but it is here so lets live with it, you are not going to stop it. It will survive or die a natural death. We can however, do something by taking this country back from these idiots we elected. We need to get America back to the basics, one word come to mine Constitution.