Minding Ag's Business

Do the Math on Obamacare

Set politics aside and do the math on your business's options for insurance under Obamacare. Farmers are among the small business owners with one to nine employees who pay 18% more for health insurance than the nation's biggest companies, according to the Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group, Small Business Majority. That's why business consultants and health analysts who have run the numbers think many farmers will have the most to gain under health care reform. We'll know for sure when states unveil their health exchanges Oct. 1.

Analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation and DTN's own tax consultants in the last few weeks confirm that the first 18 state exchanges could offer many farm business owners and their employees health care relief starting in 2014. In these pools, about half of the people who apply will qualify for subsidies, and that is supposed to knock about $5,500 off premiums for the typical family that qualifies, Kaiser says.

Thanks to tax credits and subsidies, many farmers will find big incentives to drop company provided insurance for themselves and employees under Obamacare, DTN Tax Columnist Andy Biebl reported in his latest column.

Biebl is a Minnesota tax partner who specializes in agriculture for CliftonLarsonAllen LLP. He says his firm has run the numbers for many small business owners in recent weeks, including restaurants and hair salon chains where workers typically earn salaries less than $46,000 a year. It's crazy but you might be doing your employees a big favor by letting the government subsidize their insurance instead of opting for expensive employer-provided coverage purchased through small group plans. Main thing to check is whether these plans include the key doctors and health care providers you need within their network.

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Very few farm employees will pay sticker price for their insurance in the new exchanges. Individuals with income as high as $46,000 and families of four with income up to $94,000 qualify for a sliding scale of tax credits that can slash medical costs.

The net result is that a 25-year-old single worker near Sioux Falls, S.D., who earns $25,000 per year would pay only $144/mo. after tax credits for "silver" coverage with a $1,500 deductible, Kaiser says. A 40-year-old couple earning $60,000 with two minors would pay $409/mo. for the same plan. Without any tax credits that same family plan would cost $790/month.

Most farmers I know are like Dick Wittman, a Culdesac, Idaho farmer who feels a responsibility to see their employees aren't bankrupted by an accident or illness in the family. Many of you tell me you'd like to continue to offer a flat price to help employees cover health insurance costs. That will be tricky in the future, thanks to a recent IRS ruling in September, Biebl says. Instead of reimbursements for insurance premiums, you could reimburse dental and vision expenses, however.

We won't know the real math until all states release their plans Oct. 1, but keep an open mind and keep studying the options. There's no rush to change your business benefits yet, but all individuals will need health insurance coverage in 2014.

For all DTN-Progressive Farmer coverage on health care reform and links to other resources, go to http://www.dtn.com/…

For more information on tax credits available through state health insurance marketplaces go to

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Jay Mcginnis
10/15/2013 | 6:43 AM CDT
If the top 1% of Americans would pay the taxes they did before Reagan and not the poultry 17% they do now we wouldn't have such a deficit. They don't get any benefits from the US government like insuring a stable middle class????
George Hanson
10/7/2013 | 8:10 AM CDT
Why would anyone support anything to do with Obamacare? See http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/10/06/evil-is-not-too-strong-a-word-for-the-wendy-davis-phenomenon/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
RJZ Peterson
10/2/2013 | 9:41 AM CDT
I don't care what the benefits of this "ObamaCare" program are. The fact is, we as a nation simply can not afford this costly socialistic healthcare program. Yes I admit we need some form of healthcare reform, but we have to do it as cheap as we can. We cannot afford to keep giving handouts to all of the deadbeats, druggies, grossly obese, and illegal aliens that are sucking the rest of us dry. We need to get our finances in order before we spend anymore. And printing more money is not the answer, nor is borrowing. I can't stress this enough, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT AMERICA, WHO CARES WHAT "GOOD" IT DOES!!!
Brandon Butler
10/1/2013 | 11:52 AM CDT
Vince, wish in one hand for that "cheap" care, and s*&t in the other. See which fills up first.
Vince Moye
10/1/2013 | 5:50 AM CDT
Mary, I am really ashamed of all the wild accusations from commenters. Just keep reporting the facts and the truth will be known. When these 'O' haters find out their lib neighbors are paying less for health insurance, they will crash the website trying to get signed up too.
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 6:58 PM CDT
Mark B. , Hah You are So clever!!
Jay Mcginnis
9/30/2013 | 4:13 PM CDT
Get it straight, IT IS ROMNEY CARE!!!!! He is the one who used the same system in Mass.
Bob Sanderson
9/30/2013 | 1:19 PM CDT
Fortunately Marcia we can work with and support some candidates in the Republican party with integrity that are serious about removing this healthcare debacle from the country such as http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/30/ben-sasse-nebraska-obamacare.
Mark Benjamin
9/30/2013 | 12:56 PM CDT
Yes we will do the math. But I am not holding my breath for "the great minds in congress to come up with something better." Your statement was a little understated about "like farm subsidies of past". It was more than just economic dsadvantageous not to be part "of the game'. And Don...I was just chasing you down the path you chose to go...to the point you ran full circle.
Brandon Butler
9/30/2013 | 12:39 PM CDT
What a bunch of f'ing walking clichés.
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 11:48 AM CDT
Marcia, My apologies for getting off subject. I support your comments 110%. However, it is exciting to get "off course" from time to time! I will behave from now on. Respectfully
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 11:44 AM CDT
Craig Moore, I don't know if you are new to this US political operation or not but lots of folks who work in a government specialty end up hired by private firms. Just like military retirees end up in the "military industrial complex", or Texas politicians end up in Big Oil, or Midwest ag politicos end up in the pocket of Big Ag making sure average guys have to buy their stuff. Nothing new here. And the aides who lost are probably now at Fox News, Club for Growth, or the Heritage Foundation filling your head with BS so you can get on a blog and impress other wingers that you have a clue.
Marcia Taylor
9/30/2013 | 11:37 AM CDT
Dear Readers, I love your political passion, but I don't see a single one of you addressing the big problems in health care--namely that small business owners pay a heck of a lot more for insurance with much worse coverage than Big Business pays. So I go back to my statement to do the math and let personal economics decide. Until the great minds in Congress come up with something better, this is what we've got to work with. I understand that ambivalence about subsidies, but like the farm subsidies of yesteryear, you may be economically disadvantaged if you don't run the numbers.
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 11:35 AM CDT
Mark B., You sure are full of BS. We talking health care here and and whether this program is an improvement over our current situation that puts US healthcare spending astronomically higher than the rest of the civilized world with a large percentage of our population uninsured and with infant mortality at 3rd world levels. At the same time, we lead in obesity and have a lower life expectancy than the rest of our comparative nations. Since George Washington, political LEADERS have proposed a reasonable national health care policy and the right has stood in the way. Why? And you want to wail about how great our military is. Those of us in the military knew Iraq's mil was a joke. Mark, Do you even know what the R's health plan is or how it differs from Obamacare? Do you care?
Mark Benjamin
9/30/2013 | 10:37 AM CDT
So now lets put it all together. Don praises O'care like Medicare & S.S. Both of which if you look at real math forecasts are drastically mismanaged as underfunded and even worse noose around our neck than that little fiasco with Fannie & Freddie the Libs BS'd the public "was fine". Think that needs no further explnaation. (Don't even try to go with Franks or Dodds BS. I'll cream you there) Then when taking heat for praising them deflects off onto 'the Bush war and no WMD's" That is typical liberal playbook. Bash Bush and the war. Problem is the WMD's were taken across the border during Sadams stalling tatics of defying a armistice treaty he signed...THAT STIPULATED military force would be used if he barred inspectors after Iraq War round 1. And then your hollow suit hero draws a line in the sand for those same WMD's going off script of his teleprompter. Those weapons are used in a civil war...but he needs distraction so he ALMOST goes to war ALL BY HIMSELF without a world coalition. Everyone I present to you the typical Lib chasing their tail in a circle. Take a bow Don.
Mark Benjamin
9/30/2013 | 9:28 AM CDT
Typical lib Don...deflect when confronted with facts. Yes the same Bush. There WERE wmd's in Iraq. Sadam used them on his people. They were used in the 12 year war with Iran before that. Iraqi generals TOLD US they were moved to...guess where...it is in the news right now. Yes we went to war instead of letting a piss ant defy about 50 countries orders via the U.N. That war also had some profound impacts. Iran, N. Korea and a few others saw something that made them soil their britches. They saw U.S. military hardware cut through soviet made tanks like a hot knife through butter. They saw the capabilities OF THEIR mlitary hardware tossed around likearag doll. The same forces who had battled Iran for a decade in a stalemate of over 200,000 lives were breached from border to Bagdad in 100 hours. The Iraqi tanks in reserve who were used to Iranian fighting GOT CAUGHT OUTSIDE THEIR TANKS behind the front lines an mowed down with .50 cal Browning. Sure N. Koreafires off a mssle now and then to keep face. But that war has kept the others in check. They all KNOW that war proved the ave no chance. Of course the currnt Presidial stuffed suit thought he could draw a line in the sand. He got called on it. The amatuer in the Oval Office got tactfully reprimnded by his military or doing such a stupid thing. And he almost went ahead anyway without world support. So yes give me Bush doctrine over this empty suit any day.
CRAIG MOORE
9/30/2013 | 9:23 AM CDT
Don Thompson How about if we quote the leader of the democrats that wrote "their" version of the health care bill, and not the republicans, "This is a train wreck." That came from Max. And where do all the Senate aides that help craft the ACA work now. At lobby groups that specialize in medical and pharmaceutical companies, just like their bosses, in it just for the money they can make. And if the ACA is soooo good, why did congress exempt their employees from being covered by it?
Bob Sanderson
9/30/2013 | 8:01 AM CDT
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder that is demonstrates an unwillingness to deal with reality. Check out Ted Cruz's resume Don. See http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2013/03/ever-take-look-at-ted-cruzs-resume.html No one believes an addiction to a teleprompter demonstrates superior mental abilities. Posted by ubknown unknown at 8:28AM CDT 09/27/13
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 7:55 AM CDT
The same Bush who insisted there were WMD's in Iraq? Who added trillions to the national debt because of it? Who insisted we kill and maim thousands of GIs and Iraqis to promote his "cause"? Give me Obamacare!
Mark Benjamin
9/30/2013 | 7:54 AM CDT
Lets just "HOPE" this splendid program runs as smoothly as SS and medicaid with none of the shortsighted "we will worry about paying for it later" yet never actually set the money aside to pay for it. Just let our kids sort it out and pay for it. Sure the people like anything that benefits them when others pay for it. Yes we have paid into SS.... but then we kid ourselves to believe we haven't KNOWINGLY maxed ot our credit cards to China and others. We know darn well we are destroying our kids future because we refuse to believe our "Liberal" way of thinking can somehow cheat simple math. Simple math always wins no matter how far you shove your head where the sun doesnt shine to try to escape logic.
Mark Benjamin
9/30/2013 | 7:34 AM CDT
Why all the doom and gloom people? I am sure this will work out just fine. Don't panic just because the ones who pushed it are the exact same ones who insisted Fannie & Freddie woul be fine...when Bush repeatedly warned there was going to be trouble.
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 7:33 AM CDT
The problem with the ACA is that it was a Republican based idea - back when they had ideas - that they now oppose for total political purposes. They now need to ramp up their base to a new level of crazy because they feel they can not allow a Democrat to again bring on a program that all people will like and eventually adopt just like SS, Medicaid/care, and Farm welfare programs. Especially this Democrat. :-)
Don Thompson
9/30/2013 | 7:27 AM CDT
Quoting Tea Party Republicans is an exercise in futility especially if you have actually met these people. Not impressed is an understatement.
Dick Doriguzzi
9/30/2013 | 6:50 AM CDT
Who pays for the subsidy,??? The debt is already $16 trillion and growing. More in your face government, sorry to see it happening, I hope everyone will be happy when someone from DC comes over to run your farm .....
Bob Sanderson
9/29/2013 | 7:19 AM CDT
"ObamaCare is based on limitless government, bureaucratic arrogance, and a disregard of the will of the people," said Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.).
Bonnie Dukowitz
9/29/2013 | 6:58 AM CDT
I am assuming most medical devices are used by recipients of medicare- medicaid-Veterans etc.. The tax on devices will fund part of Obummercare. Net result- government taxing itself to make a failing program look good. Are these expenses being considered as cost increase on the other programs or will Obama be the savior and exempt the same? Can I order my majic Obama Pill on-line?
Jim Maxwell
9/28/2013 | 6:40 AM CDT
More obamacare nonsense. Check out http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/01/the-new-federal-wedding-tax-how-obamacare-would-dramatically-penalize-marriage Also https://twitter.com/johngort/status/383915886232363008 Also http://chicksontheright.com/posts/item/24764-the-best-obamacare-monologue-evah
Greg unknown
9/28/2013 | 6:10 AM CDT
Definitely time to flush obamacare - see http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/27/paul-suffering-the-sting-of-obamacare/ see http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/27/president-obama-lied-to-us-told-america-some-real-whoppers-about-obamacare/?intcmp=HPBucket
Jarrod Bennett
9/27/2013 | 9:08 AM CDT
Glenn Brands, your comment is about the funniest thing I've read in a while. Thanks for the good laugh.
ubknown unknown
9/27/2013 | 8:28 AM CDT
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder that is demonstrates an unwillingness to deal with reality. Check out Ted Cruz's resume Don. See http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2013/03/ever-take-look-at-ted-cruzs-resume.html No one believes an addiction to a teleprompter demonstrates superior mental abilities.
Don Thompson
9/27/2013 | 7:56 AM CDT
Unknown Unknown, I did listen to what he has said. That is why I would include him in the group of politicians to which I refer.
ubknown unknown
9/27/2013 | 7:47 AM CDT
More reading material for duped liberals. See http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359652/opposing-obamacare-isnt-anarchy-jonah-goldberg
ubknown unknown
9/26/2013 | 10:30 AM CDT
Before you criticize Ted Cruz's mental abilities Don you should listen to what he says. See http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4466033 Also read http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/obama_has_dismantled_america.html
Glenn BRANDS
9/26/2013 | 8:33 AM CDT
At least when you post a blog like this, we don't have to sort through and skip over the ones that John Olsen posts:)
Don Thompson
9/26/2013 | 8:28 AM CDT
Marcia, Thanks for a fact based article about real ACA options. With all the biased opinion based bloviating that has been expressed through Fox, AEI, Hoover Institute, and Texas politicians in need of mental health services from the ACA, it is a pleasure to have someone author a truly informative article.
ubknown unknown
9/26/2013 | 7:01 AM CDT
Marcia - you are one duped liberal. Victor David Hansen has done a great job of informing you of basics you have missed. See http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359515/late-great-middle-class-victor-davis-hanson
tom vogel
9/26/2013 | 6:50 AM CDT
In regard to our nation's economic woes: "I have spotted the enemy...and he is we."
Bonnie Dukowitz
9/26/2013 | 6:01 AM CDT
Great! A hairdresser or other, single parent, usually the mother, working one or two days a week to get out of the house, living in public housing gets a $ $5,000.00 low income credit. Now another $5,000.00 bonus tax credit for buying Obamacare for $144.00, or less, per month. Don't forget the rest of the incentives for not being married and not working full time. The cell phone would be a bargain.
Paul Beiser
9/26/2013 | 4:58 AM CDT
When not enough apply, are they going to offer free cell phones as an incentive?
Unknown
9/25/2013 | 7:31 PM CDT
Thank you Dear Leader!
Brandon Butler
9/25/2013 | 8:27 AM CDT
Oh, are the comments on this column going to be priceless. Let the fur fly!
Curt Zingula
9/25/2013 | 7:51 AM CDT
"Thanks to tax credits and subsidies" WOW, free money!! Like grant money, it just appears out of the blue!!