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Don't Handcuff Climate Change Research
A Nebraska state senator's desire to put limits on climate change research hits a wall in the science community.
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Posted at 9:51AM CDT 10/25/13 by Bryce Anderson |
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Two points. This legislation seems to mirror what has been going on thus far on climate change where there has been an agenda to blame humans for all changes in climate patterns. Politics will kill the human race and destroy the world long before changes in climate.
Posted by mgf7453 at 6:10AM CDT 10/26/13
The issue is that a legislator tried to restrict the scope of research. To not look at the possible impact of the additional carbon dioxide that has been put into the atmosphere--and how that might in turn affect the workings of weather cycles--is incomplete and basically amounts to not doing research at all.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 8:21AM CDT 10/26/13
The pendulum always swings back, and America has seen the evidence that this field of "science" is overburdened with mis-educated PhDs AND charlatans, who have no qualms manipulating data that doesn't come out to fit their political agenda. Personally, I believe the field should be mothballed for a decade for a cooling-off, reeducation period. Decades of political influence have rendered most of their endeavor terribly tainted and suspect. Credible scientific studies can't begin with a foregone conclusion, namely, that Homo sapien is the culprit. In other words, WE the People (who are paying for these "studies") no longer trust "science". You can thank Al Gore and his PA toadies for that.
Posted by TX Tumbleweed at 12:39PM CDT 10/26/13
Questions and reaction to extreme events in the past several years appear to indicate that there is a great deal of interest in additional climate change research--provided that the scope of inquiry is not limited beforehand. Meanwhile--another research project looking at Arctic temperatures shows that the Arctic is the warmest the region has been in 44-THOUSAND years and possibly the warmest in 120,000 years. The level of warmth is described as "outside...known natural variability, and it has to be due to increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 7:38PM CDT 10/26/13
I can't wait for a lawyer to sue on behalf of dinosaurs cause some caveman lit a torch a couple hundred thousand years ago. Until we have another thousand or so years of real data... all the core samples and speculation called science is just bunk. Who says carbon dioxide is a bad thing? Last time I checked there is more plant life and food on this planet than ever before. Life is good if you just live it and get over the fact that al gore cashed in and not many other people got as rich as he did by scaring people.
Posted by Paul Beiser at 9:11PM CDT 10/26/13
The carbon dioxide component in relation to climate change effect is the key detail which the Nebraska scientists were forbidden--forbidden--to study.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 9:32PM CDT 10/26/13
Bruce, can you remember back in the 70's when the scientists were trying to convince the masses that the planet was heading back to the ice ages. Now we are headed the other way? Thank You Nebraska!! Two things stick out. 1:The mad scientists aren't interested in studies that don't promote their agenda. 2: The mad scientists don't work for chump change. A few weeks ago you had a blog that said global temps were flat the last 15 yrs. It was hard, but the mad scientists were force to face it but refuse to believe it. I agree with tumbleweed. Mothball this BS. All they want is money.
Posted by bbob at 10:30PM CDT 10/26/13
The idea that climate scientists were predicting a new ice age some 35 years ago is incorrect. They did not. Regarding research funding--science looks at all the variables in a given project. To do that requires funding. It also requires that there are no arbitrary boundaries set on that project--in this instance, prohibiting scientists from studying carbon dioxide levels and their role in future climate trends.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 6:20AM CDT 10/27/13
If Nebraska wants a certain study done a certain way, and are the ones paying for it, who are the scientists to question? The stated limits will stay with the results. And yes they were beating the ice age drums. They didn't get as far with it as they are today. No doubt its all about money.
Posted by bbob at 10:34AM CDT 10/27/13
A survey of 68 climate papers published between 1965 and 1979 found that 62 percent of those papers predicted warming in the future. Just 10 percent of the papers published in that time period predicted cooling. That is a 6 to 1 ratio--or six times as many research papers--which predicted warming. Regarding the parameters: As mentioned in the article and in some previous discussion items, an inquiry which does not include all the parameters--in this case, climate change in a time when there has been a steady increase in carbon dioxide addition to the atmosphere--amounts to not doing research at all.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 11:11AM CDT 10/27/13
I agree Bryce, Unfortunatly, Unbiased and uninfluenced research in any area, I believe, is next to impossible. It just seems to be an assault against specific groups, depending on the topic of discussion.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 7:54PM CDT 10/27/13
The issue again is that a state legislator took it upon himself to set limits on a climate change research project. That's not how science is done.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 7:05AM CDT 10/28/13
Amazing how far this issue has gone, deniers are the same in all forms of addictions and fossil fuel is no different. I know some severe alcoholics and even one heroine addict and the responses of excuses sound so much the same! Photo voltaic (solar electricity) is now under a dollar per watt, cheaper then coal burning plants but no one discusses this! My co-op electric company wants nothing to do with promoting electric cars because they are sistered with an oil company (hey thats what they told me, I didn't know that till they told me). We put a man on the moon and could attack this problem the same way but denial has become so entrenched that we will continue this until we are no more. The ancients on Easter Island built huge stone gods to worship to prevent their society from collapse, not paying attention to reality they just kept business as usual....... wonder what they thought when they chopped down the very last tree??? Maybe their politicians/priests convinced them that that would issue in the second coming? Don't worry guys humans can't destroy themselves,,, right??? Don't listen to the "flawed, biased, leaky email science" and cut that last tree down!!!!
Posted by Jay Mcginnis at 11:43AM CDT 10/28/13
It is a tough environment to do research in right now, when legislators make a decision on what can and cannot be investigated and analyzed.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 2:47PM CDT 10/28/13
You are correct Bryce as to the Legislator. Not to minimize your concern, however, private, special interest donations are also a huge issue and obstruction to sound research and science.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 6:10AM CDT 10/29/13
Right Bonnie, in the world of TEA climate change would be addressed by private donations and private business like Exxon, BP, Koch brothers and other concerned corporations. There's a plan! I feel much safer with their sound research! How much are you donating to them?
Posted by Jay Mcginnis at 6:45AM CDT 10/29/13
My point is that scientific research needs to be sound science, whether the financial support is from any legislative body or from private contributers of any group. I do agree with the article and have simply expressed that there is much more of a problem than a single Legislator. I have no clue as to why one would mention TEA.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 1:05PM CDT 10/29/13
I'm going to close comment on this blog item. Thanks all.
Posted by Bryce Anderson at 1:19PM CDT 10/29/13
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