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Thursday 06/26/14

Conservation Agriculture: Moon Shot or Forced Change is Coming
Conservation agriculture needs a "moon shot." That would require the country to rally behind a determined push to reach a higher standard of overall conservation agricultural practices, much like John Kennedy declared the country would get to the moon by the end of the 1960s.[Read Full Blog Post]
Posted at 7:17AM CDT 06/26/14 by Chris Clayton | Post a Comment
Comments (26)
Chris, why are you pushing an agenda. When the media has given such credibility to people like Buffet who "bought their way in" leads us to question the credibility of yourself and the media in general. When writing articles like this criticizing the Beltway Farmers who have farmed their land for many generations and their property rights is terrible. You do not address the cities storm sewer dumping of road salts and all of the city lagoons in the flood plains of the rivers. I take it you live in a city and are yourself impervious to rules of these kinds or truly don't understand them. You have pushed an anti-drainage farm bill with great inequities and now are pushing an anti-drainage EPA proposal. Without drainage there will be no no-till, no cover cropping, because you will not be able to get on the land. Water submerging cropland destroys the good bacteria in the land. Why don't you start writing articles stating the benefits of drainage. It all starts with good soil drainage any good soil scientist will tell you that, drainage is the foundation of good soil management.
Posted by Unknown at 8:21AM CDT 06/26/14
Seems strange to me individuals like Buffet, who do not walk the talk can receive so much attention. As far as conservation practices of food producers, where are such things as tillage practices the same as 50 or 75 years ago. Strange how when buffalo, then cattle were drinking out of the lakes, there was not an issue. Now with all the impaired waters with shorelines filled with docks, without insects on them, every 75 or 100 feet and golf course landscaping, completely around the lake, it is the farmers fault.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 10:54AM CDT 06/26/14
Howard Buffet is a leader in ag? When did this happen? He farms 400 acres of Pivots with a new 4wd tractor pulling a 16 row 3 bushel boxed equipped planter all while talking about cover crops and stuff but when I saw the video he posted there was no cover crop residue!! Howard should stick to his other job that he has as an advisor to Barack Obama. Oh wait Obama is showing how great he is at pretty much nothing and he surrounds himself with yuppies like Buffet. Give me a break. You calling Howard a leader totally buries your stuff deeper on my to read list. COme visit us real farmers who deal with drainage issues and spend less time patting EWG on the back. Because of the lack of drainage in the Dakotas people are moving away from no till because the only weapon we have against water is cold hard steel. Don't give me all these other excuses because we have tried them. Behind either surface drainage or subsurface nothing works when its too wet to get in the field all year. It is so easy to farm and tell everyone what to do when you don't have to do it yourself or make money yourself since your grandpa is the Bufffet who acts so nice but in the end is an abortion funding, miser who only wants more money.
Posted by Roger Neshem at 8:59PM CDT 06/26/14
I wonder how many of Buffets locomotives run on solar power and how many of his bridges have retaining capabilities like farmers fuel tank requirements. Don't see too many cover crops, but a lot of chemicals on R.R. tracks.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 9:11PM CDT 06/26/14
Heck Buffet doesn't even haul grains on those train cars anymore just basically all oil. THey didn't even want to disclose how much oil they are hauling. Oh and how convenient we cant get a pipeline built and the person with the presidents ear owns a railroad. Hmmm now if he weren't a liberal what would the media scream about every day?????? Its so good to know Howard Buffet has the presidents ear and is saying USDA needs to be more "forceful". Gee that sounds like a government for the people by the people then again it sounds more like the status quo for the most corrupt administration ever......when the real reporting is done and the dirt is all dug up. Little Buffet should take his money and his mouth elsewhere. After all Liberals don't seem to like free speech whenever someone opposes them.
Posted by Roger Neshem at 9:34PM CDT 06/26/14
These test tube farm practices don't work in the real world and certainly don't work with anti-drainage policy. It's definitely is a moon shot, when we got there there was nothing there. Trying to promote cover crops that become weeds to the crops that are going to be grown actually promotes more chemical use in a time of chemical resistance and more tillage and cultivation to kill the cover crop . That will be the end of notill. To make this a mandatory practice is crazy!
Posted by Unknown at 9:46PM CDT 06/26/14
My farm has been 100% no till for over 25 years, very high yields and I have built terraces and water ways in order to fight erosion. It is great to see minimal wash after the serious storms this year. It is great to have an administration that has vision and respect for the environment and I am happy to participate in soil conservation along with clean energy and less fossil fuels, it is the 21st century, we are the wealthiest nation and one to set example for the world instead of crying we can't have dirty air and dirty water like the Chinese.
Posted by Jay Mcginnis at 9:49PM CDT 06/26/14
Jay, we are the wealthiest nation in the world. Why? Your hero, Pres. Obama, wants us to be more like the Chinese you seem to condemn with their powerful central government. Perhaps you need to really think about what you are saying!
Posted by CARLYLE CURRIER at 11:02PM CDT 06/26/14
Think what I am saying? I am DOING what I am saying, no-till, terraces, waterways, rotations, solar farming, geothermal heat pump, electric car and lawn mower,,,,, far from being Chinese who's cities are a GOP wet dream with smog so dense you can't see from no regulations! If Obama wanted us to be more like China he would join the Tea Party! If you don't want regulations then do what is proper, you have an obligation to society and future generations to NOT send your farm down the river, to NOT waste our energy and resources, to NOT change the climate! If you guys had any respect for the environment and future generations then you wouldn't need regulations!
Posted by Jay Mcginnis at 7:04AM CDT 06/27/14
Good answer Jay;Some people must think we are the last people to live on earth Conservation is everyone"s job .Thanks Chris for the post.
Posted by melvin meister at 7:19AM CDT 06/27/14
Jay you say you have made "water ways", you must not live in the Dakota's, you would be thrown out of compliance. Sounds like your being treated differently than us or we are being treated differently. When you give these head of organizations such great power and no accountability it leads to abuse of power. I'm glad to hear things are great in your perfect world but I think many agree things aren't so perfect everywhere.
Posted by Unknown at 7:33AM CDT 06/27/14
Dear neo - cons & Bonnie: Sounds like the concept of any change is quite unsettling. Life is tough - wear a helmet
Posted by Don Thompson at 7:47AM CDT 06/27/14
Don are you telling me to prepare for a wreak?
Posted by Unknown at 9:28AM CDT 06/27/14
I thought the subject matter was Buffet and his ignorance. Sorry to disappoint a couple of you. Our farm is only tilled as needed. No recreational tillage here. Been planting cover crops before many of you even heard of such a thing. They, however, are not the magic bullet in all situations. Why change, Don for the sake of change? Unbiased research and trial error are what is needed. Not Buffets propaganda, nor Obamas' politics.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 10:06AM CDT 06/27/14
Dear Unknown: One being's disaster is another's opportunity - or at least I think that is what Darwin would have argued. Reality is in the eyes of the beholder. Bonnie, From my personal observation, every successful organization or organism is consumed by change. Always seeking the best alternatives. Some less successful must be forced to do so whether through a positive or negative motivation. You appeared to have already discovered what works for you and are steadfast in your opinion. Bravo. My father always graciously said the university types were always just a little behind the farmers. Let's just let them play through and assess objectively.
Posted by Don Thompson at 10:20AM CDT 06/27/14
Don: Local problems should be decided locally, people dealing with problems should be a majority of decision making. These one size fits all solutions without any input from the people that are going to be affected by the new rules isn't working and surely isn't realistic or workable. If it works people, will openly use the new tools of conservation. They should not be rammed down peoples throats with mandatory rules that violate 5th amendment rights. When people talk about forced changed that should raise concern.
Posted by Unknown at 10:39AM CDT 06/27/14
Unknown: Kindly define local. If your area of operation is worldwide than you would consider the earth as local. If you are pumping manure down a drainage tile in the upper reaches of the Mississippi drain system and the sea life in the Yucatan are suffering from the effects of it, then your local is messing with their local. Hence, someone other than your local has to step in to solve their local issue. Makes sense to me. If you are the upstream pumper, you may feel put upon. And you may indeed want to be conscious of your 5th amendment rights when the authorities come knocking.
Posted by Don Thompson at 2:00PM CDT 06/27/14
Don: Where do you flush your toilet? Where is that lagoon, in the flood plain of a river?
Posted by Unknown at 5:39PM CDT 06/27/14
Hey don! We are no till and have been a long time. The only thing we are trying to change is drainage. We had not done much and now we are trying to tile and the nrcs makes it impossible. We don't lose soil we just are too wet! I'd be willing to bet my farm is a better example of conservation than yours. Obviously all your land has tile already and that is not an issue for you. Maybe walk a mile in the persons shoes you are trying to tell what to do before you open your mouth. Maybe we can follow Obama plan to be a poor society so that we can worship these politicians that you seem to selince you don't believe in yourself. Maybe we can get to Venezuelans level of socialism someday. Heard they went dark. That would be great so I wouldn't have to see the stuff the idiotic left puts out daily.
Posted by Roger Neshem at 10:04PM CDT 06/27/14
Roger Neshem as a 6 year former employee of EWG I can clearly state that Chris spends little time patting that org on the back. In this blog he is doing a great service to farmers getting the message out that the current pollution load into US waters is unsustainable. Eventually if things don't change regulation will be the only option.
Posted by Donald Carr at 6:12AM CDT 06/28/14
Roger Neshem, Why does NRCS make it impossible for you to install drainage tile? How about some facts? Exactly what are the objections? We work within the framework presented and are frustrated often and succeed with our plans for the most part but I know nothing of your condition. But I would truly like to see your NRCS opinion before I make judgement. Could you post it for us?
Posted by Don Thompson at 6:48AM CDT 06/28/14
I try not to get into a debate. Sorry for participating. But Jay, your last entry, I agree with much, except the GOP reference. The conservatives you so seem to despise have done and are doing some of what you claim to have done because they have a conscience and conservation is the correct thing to do. Many accomplishments without the generosity of the taxpayer. Those who support mandates, might do so for emotional gratification and perhaps job security within whatever activity they are involved in. The worst smog you blame GOP for, like in LA and Chicago are certainly not GOP strongholds. And yes, we cooperate with Soil & Water, NRCS as well as Extension with activities which are of benefit to the landscape. And yes, if the government sends me a check, I CASH it, so have at it EWGers.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 7:51AM CDT 06/28/14
Well don look at old determinations that do not show all the wetlands we have now. We have been in a wet cycle here and things are very wet. My county is all no till and this past year due to excessive pp people turned away from no till to dry out ground. Ditches were black everywhere this winter because we had to do something to dry out the ground. I am all about saving soil but a person needs to do what he needs to do in order to get a crop planted. You want compromise let us tile and in return we will be notill all the time!!! The EPA does not fret about .1 acre wetlands but usda does. Maybe the usda should just follow CWA and then all these nuisance wet areas we could tile without nrcs as 90% of them do not meet current CWA guidelines. How about that for compromise don??? Ask any farmer what wildlife benfits from .1 acre wetlands that appear after heavy June rains??? The ducks don't as they have hatched and moved to big water after they nested in no till wheat stubble! We have land that is littered with these things and the mitigation process takes more land than what you tile so it's not a very good trade. I had a wetland determination don that took 2.5 years in a county where so far about 2 of us have installed drainage tile! Now you tell me is 2.5 years an acceptable timeframe for work to get done? I would call that a hindrance to tiling. Maybe you don't but I do and everyone who walks this ground out here does also. Our soils are heavy which leads to having high cec levels which keeps our nitrogen in our soil not in our tile lines so you can cross that environmental concern off your list. We direct band all of our phosphorus so it does not leave in surface runoff. So when you talk about all these problems do not lump us up here in with others. It shows your ignorance and incompetence. If you wish to see land managed poor look to mr buffets bnsf. The drainage issues, salt, chemical and pesticide pollution caused by their railroad dwarfs anything us farmers do. Our ground along the railroad will not grow anything because of pesticide run off from weed control on the railroad tracks. They have neglected the drains on the railroads and it has led to ponding and salinity issues where there should not be any. Come to ND and see for yourself who the destroyer of the soil and environment is. Me or buffet? I do everything I can to make my ground better. It is my life and my passion. I know more about my every acre of my land than you will ever know about your yard where you call home. Us folks in ND need to start forming groups and collecting hundreds of millions of dollars and then telling the east coast what they should do. It is almost tyrannical the way these out of state groups have come in here with unlimited caches of dollars trying to write policy. My disdain grows for them more daily as I see and read what they do and how they do it. None of them will ever visit this state but they sure love to tell us how to run it. I invite them all to spend 10 straight years here and if they do then they can have a say in policy. Until then enjoy your east coast and all the trash that comes with it. Ewg is located in Washington, D.C. I'd suggest you clean up the trash there before trying to "fix" other areas. If I were the redskins I'd be offended to have Washington attached to my name. Ewg loves to hate on crop insurance subsidies. I don't like them one bit either. I am all in favor of doing away with those subsidies and programs. The problem is then the government would hold no authority over the farms and that is very very bad in the minds of the left and the ewg. We could deal with the EPA and CWA as it is today as 90% of our wet areas do not fall under CWA! My question is would the ewg stop attacks at farmers of everyone was no till and subsidies were abolished? My guess is they wouldn't as they have an unlimited thirst for power and money. I would love to share all of my private land dealings with you but an Internet comments section is the last place for that. As they say an argument on the Internet has no winner. As I have posted on the past around these parts I have an open invite to anyone who wants to come out and ill show you these problems I speak of and you will get an education in just how wrong your policies are.
Posted by Roger Neshem at 9:49AM CDT 06/28/14
You are right on Roger, nobody understands our problems in the Dakotas, you are not alone. We are behind in drainage development and are having the door slammed closed on us. I would challenge anyone of these guys that have all of their farm drained try to make things work in our conditions. They need to walk in our shoes! We should be entitled to the same tools as everyone else in the country.
Posted by Unknown at 10:27AM CDT 06/28/14
Good grief, Don. Crop nutrients are much to valuable and needed for human and animal production. Manure down the drain tile, you must have been visiting a doggie park drain.
Posted by Bonnie Dukowitz at 3:57PM CDT 06/28/14
Very cute comment, Bonnie. However, I was referencing an actual incident that was taking place at a cafo not so far away and long ago from here. Apparently they did not hold pig manure in such esteem as you. Too bad a few bad actors make it difficult for others.
Posted by Don Thompson at 2:11PM CDT 06/29/14
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